How many strings at Warner Brothers did you have to pull in order to make this movie?
Darren: Warner Brothers was very supportive. I mean, it wasn’t easy but they were with it for the last six years or five years, however long they’ve been involved with it. They were there the whole way. But it took…this latest version was a lot easier because we had a lot of persistence and we finally and they were just like, “Do whatever you want.” They’ve been pretty good to us.
The fact that you showed footage [ten minutes of the film] at the Con, I mean that’s very rare…
Darren: Oh really? That’s what they told me you’re supposed to do.
Was it cool?
Yes, yes it was…
Darren: Is it good?
It was good…
Darren: I don’t think it will stop people from coming to see the movie. I think it will probably make them want to see more. Unless it sucked.
Was it confusing?
A little bit…
How was it confusing?
Ummmm…..What the hell is the tree?
Darren: That’s what the film is about is finding out what it is. It’s a mystery.

[To Rachel] Were you confused, while you were making it?
Rachel: No, I obviously read the script many times. I figured it out.
Is it non-linear?
Darren: Well, emotionally it’s linear. It’s non-linear in time. You’re basically following one character, Hugh Jackman’s character, through the course of the film and it adds up and it makes sense but it’s told in a very PULP FICTION sort of way.
How many drafts, how many revisions has this movie gone through?
Darren: There were probably about 50 official drafts around. Official. Which means when I was just tweaking away there were a lot of drafts. Well…50 drafts and 30 official drafts.
Did you ever feel that you were getting to the point where you felt like you were at the point of overworking the material?
Darren: I think that we did over think it at times. That’s part of the process is that you go too far and you have to come back. And you go too far and you have to come back. So, it’s a slow balancing act to get to the place.
Was it significantly rewritten?
Darren: Yeah, when it went from a 95 million dollar film to a 35 million dollar film it changed a lot. And that was my move because I realized they wouldn’t have made it at that level so I had to come up with the cheapest version they could make it with.
Did that help you creatively?
Darren: I think what kicked in was some kind of independent, guerilla filmmaker. So it was probably something more of who I was versus what I was becoming.
So, would either of you characterize this filmic experience as a guerilla…
I think I would say it. It’s a 35 million dollar guerilla movie. Absolutely.
[To Rachel] How was that experience for you?
Darren: You’ve done a lot of those big movies, so how did it seem?
Rachel: The thing about that is that you’re talking about money in a way. So, the green’s green is the green’s green. So, for however much money is spent in post is irrelevant to me as an actor. The guerilla aspect of it is just the style in which Darren directs. He’s very passionate and very (laughs) guerilla.
The budget thing doesn’t affect me as an actor.
Darren: Well, were we crappy to you? You had a trailer, though. You were all set.
Did you have to work fast?
Darren: Yeah.
Rachel: We worked long hours.
Darren: We didn’t work that long, did we? Did I go over time a lot? It really should be a 90 million dollar movie so hopefully it looks a lot bigger than 35 million. When you think that an average Hollywood film is, how much, 60 million without P&A, 60-70 million for your average Hollywood movie, this film looks big. I think that’s because we spent 6 years, 5 years, in pre-production and we figured out how we could do everything smart and cheap. Every single dime is on that screen.

Me: How close was it to never being made?
Darren: Yeah, in October 2002, an actor quit and the movie fell apart and it was basically dead and that’s when the graphic novel began because I just wanted to get the story out there somehow. So, we worked on the graphic novel and during that time period I was like, “There’s got to be a way to make this that I can do, that’s make able.” And that’s when I wrote the most guerilla version of it and what came out I showed to Eric, the producer, and he’s like, “Let’s go make it.”
Me: What happened with Hugh where you all of sudden thought, “I gotta get that guy”?
Darren: What happened with Hugh is that, to be frank, he wasn’t really on my radar because he had done X-MEN and he was great but hadn’t done much else.
Then, I went to his Broadway show. Even though that performance, “The Boy From Oz,” is so different than THE FOUNTAIN but there was so much passion and energy and charisma…he’s such an untapped talent. I mean, in this film, we really show every side of Hugh Jackman and he just really went for it.
So, I went backstage afterwards and he was really nice and I asked him what he was doing next and he said, “I want to do an Aronofsky film.” “Yeah? Prove it.”
(Laughs)
Then, I showed him the script and, what time do Broadway shows end, 10:30, he read it that night, called me at 10 am the next morning…he really got it. As you can tell that this is not your average film to get. So we talked about it and it meant that we had to wait another 8 months, we were ready to go at that point, but he had so much passion and I decided that outweighed the other stuff.
Why was this film right for the Comi-Con audience?
Darren: Well, there’s also the graphic novel.
So, not only is it this movie, it’s also this graphic novel. I mean, I am a comic fan and this just fits right into, you know, what we like. I’ll use the word “we” sparingly but it’s sci-fi, it’s got sword and sandal, and it’s got a love story.
Rachel: Is that a term? Sword and sandal?
(Laughs)
Darren: Isn’t it? It’s a genre.
Rachel: (Surprised) Really?

Thinking of the space portion of the movie? What were some of the challenges in making that part of the movie?
The challenges were, from a production point of view, is that you had to spend a lot of money for a third of the film. So that’s where it was a difficult film to make. It was kind of fun. The only challenge was that if you fuck up when you shave…when you make Hugh Jackman go bald, if you fuck up you’re screwed. Are there any kids here?
Rachel: No…
(Laughs)
Darren: If you don’t do anything with the Conquistador thing, then you messed up. We had to make sure we had everything before we changed his hairstyle.
For Rachel, what was the most challenging thing for you?
Rachel: I guess the most challenging thing was that it was very emotional, very raw, very exposed part. And it’s a good challenge because it’s a real acting job even though it’s housed inside a real science-fiction movie. I’m not playing an action babe, or whatever, I’m playing a very emotional character so that’s what drew me to it and that’s what was a challenge about it.
Me (Seconds before feeling like a dumb-ass for asking a dumb-ass question): Rachel, how close were you to not being in this movie? It has gone through so many changes, co-stars, etc…, did you ever say to yourself, “You know, I don’t think I want to put any more time into this picture”?
Rachel: I hadn’t been attached to it in its initial incarnation. Darren just recounted the story of how he cast Hugh and after he cast Hugh he only then went through the process of casting a female lead. And that’s when he came to me. I hadn’t been attached to it for a long time.

Can you tell us about your character?
Rachel: She’s a woman living in contemporary America who’s married to Hugh, they’re deeply in love and she finds out that she’s terminally ill. It’s about how she comes to terms with dying and leaving her partner. So, that’s why it’s a very emotional role. It’s about love…and death.
Darren: And it starts with the fountain of youth.
Rachel: Yep.
Darren: It will all make sense when you see it.
What’s been the reaction of people you’ve met here at the Con?
Darren: (Affecting the sound of a fan boy uncontrollably moistening his Jockey’s at the sight of Rachel) AAAuuuaaahhh!!!
(Laughs)
Rachel: Really passionate and really enthusiastic, everyone I’ve met. Very polite.
Darren: Everyone’s polite.
Rachel: …Being asked if there is going to be a MUMMY 3, which I don’t know the answer to. I really enjoyed it. I’m going to hit the floor later, I got a Catwoman mask.
(Laughs)
Darren: Shhh!!!
Rachel: There’s gonna be so many Catwoman’s out there…
Darren: Catwoman may NOT be popular. It was a big bomb.
Rachel: It was a big bomb?
Darren: It was a big bomb. I’m not sure it would be popular.
Me: Lessons learned from this whole project?
Darren: I think persistence and patience are two virtues of this film. I mean, the film is about rebirth. It’s about coming to terms with life and death. And the film died and was reborn again. So, that was a great process to witness because I think we had to go through that to make it. It was just too out there of a project to have it happen right away. It had to struggle. I think the only films that happen right away are if you do your comedy, do your action film, that’s what happens right away.